69. Even White Tiger Qigong "Connects to Leadership" Tevia Rothman w/ Favazza

And th that's why when you're in a car and you're almost in an accident, you brace yourself, it's an automatic reaction and we're having these automatic reactions all day. Now, if you're in a high performance organization and the pressure's on, you're already tense as it is. And you're going through these tension states constantly, you have to be able to relieve the body of this tension so that the mind can relax, because if the body's not relaxed, the mind can't relax.

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Tevya Rothman. Welcome to your transformation station. Thank you. Well, good to be here. Awesome. So you've reached out. You have a very interesting background. You've been studying mixed martial arts. For quite some time. Now I'm a big fan of the martial arts community. I did crop Maga for about four and a half, most five years. And, uh, I did military combatives for a couple years. So please, uh, share with me your expertise and your understanding of your studies.

Okay. Well, yeah. Um, I'm also a big fan of craft. Magog I've been training Krav Maga, uh, for many, many years, and I absolutely love it. I think. Gotta be one of the most effective systems in the world in terms of real life, uh, defense and, um, yeah, I mean, I've been doing martial arts Xi, gong meditation, since I was seven years old and that's, I was born with chronic illness and my father didn't want me to be in hospitals and then with doctors and on medication my whole life. So he got me into, uh, she going martial arts and meditation. And so everyday after school, that's what I. And I was very fortunate to grow up around some really, uh, potent masters that I was able to train with. And I was effectively could heal myself fast forward. Later, I was in a teenager. I was in a brutal car accident and doctors told me I had to have surgery on my spine and on my knee. And I was scared. You know, I was scared to go under the knife. I didn't know. I have surgery. And I went to my master said, don't do that yet. Try this. She going to simple exercise. It was an undulation of my spine and it was, it really softened my spine. Now I was in severe back pain, developed, debilitating back pain for like four years. But this, she going day by day, it relieved my back pain and eventually it completely healed it. I never had surgery. And now my back is better than most guys, half my age. So I'm like, so I'm a real believer in it because I've seen what it could do for me. So, uh, I really, really, you know, for me, it was the greatest gift that I could have had, you know, to be able to have

this practice. I, I really, I like that, uh, with taking a holistic approach and, uh, health and medicine versus like just avoiding, going to the doctor and seeing what you could do to remedy it yourself, just using these simple exercises. Um, drinking, water, stretching doing all this, it definitely pays, plays a benefit, but can you go a little bit more into, um, with your, with

your practices? Yeah. Uh, so basically like now I specialize in what's called medical Chico. So, uh, you know, I've done in terms of the PR the practices, the martial arts I've done, you know, I've done, I've done a Shalon. Kung Fu I've done. Bhagwat Jong I've done Chingy twin. I've done. I've done. Um, I've, uh, wing Chun. I've done, uh, the karate, you know, Kenpo karate. I've done, uh, Moya Thai in Thailand. I've done. Um, I've done mixed martial arts. Uh, Brazilian jujitsu. I trained with a couple of Navy seals, different Navy seals. I've done a variety of different weapons, uh, craft Magog. As I mentioned, I did that for many years. Um, I, uh, yeah, that's pretty much my background. I, I love it. Uh, I've done some other, uh, rather unknown martial arts as well. Uh, one called Schwinn will trend, which is a compilation of Tai-Chi Bhagwan Chingy together. Um,

Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And, uh, yeah, I mean, that pretty much covers the gamut. Uh, yeah. But, uh, I really, uh, what I do now, really what I, my specialty is this medical Qigong. I work. World champion combat athletes. So I got the north American wide tight champion as a student of mine, Sylvester organic guy. He's also a senior white tiger going instructor. I've got the world female champion karate fighter of 2019. Uh, do a Hussein out of Kuwait. She she's bad-ass and she's also one of my students and a white tiger chip gong instructor. And she used the white tiger. She gone right before her final. For the competition to concentrate her mind, to, to hone her, her emotions and her mind into a force that, you know, what is she's world champion. So you can't argue with that. And she was doing that. She was doing that. She gone like, well, you have the deer, which is this. You know, it might look unusual to see some, you know, world champion fighter, like on the, on the mat, like doing this like little deer frolic, but it totally changed her mindset and she went and won. So I, and that's, that's a 2000 year old, she gone form that came from fatwa, who was a Chinese medicine physician to the emperor over 2000 years ago. That's an interesting story in itself. I don't know if you want to hear that, but that guy WoTWoD. He, if you go, you should see the movie red cliff. It's so good. It's one of my favorite all time movies. Yeah. And it's, it's about the three kingdoms back when they were having like this massive battle in China, between these different kingdoms and whitewall was the greatest Chinese medicine physician at the time. And the dictator touts, how use this guy as his, you know, as his dog to treat him. And he had, he had a brain tumor and this guy was the only guy who could do. Now was famous throughout all of China for his abilities and moxibustion Chinese medicine acupuncture. And she gone, uh, the style called five animal Chico, which he developed and he developed for healing and longevity. And so it's how, how was dying of this, of this brain tumor. And he, he wanted how he wanted to watch what to treat him. And whitewall resented being treated like a dog, like. And so he said, you know, my wife is sick. I'm going to go back and take care of her, which was like a two day horse ride from the, uh, from the emperor's palace and, and Sao flipped. And he was like sent him an Emissary. And, you know, with a note saying, if you don't come back, we're going to be head you. And, and what was said, screw you. I'm not going, you know, basically. Yeah. And, and tau had them. And, uh, Hotwire had like a little, you know, there's a, there's a few different variations and story about this one variation. Uh, WoTWoD had a little note, you know, he had the antidote for towels, brain tumor, and he kept that little, little kind of jokes on you and his pocket. This note that after they beheaded Kwok trois, they found that note and his hotel realized he just killed them. The only person who had the antidote for his brain tumor, but. Is revered now in this five animal chigong is, is used. And, uh, I learned this form. This is, uh, from a temple and, uh, I, I learned, uh, pre cultural revolution. She gone, which has really important. That's really important that people understand the differences between pre cultural revolution. She'd gone and post cultural revolution sheet. When I say pre cultural evolution, I'm talking post. Post-communist man pre communism. So before the communists, before the communists came in and did the

cultural, okay, hold on. You're going to start monologuing. I'm going to stop you right there. I love it. I love it with, uh, the, the note. Okay. The note that he found in his pocket now is that irony is like, tell me, like, Okay.

It's kind of like jokes on, you know,

so, all right. So the reason why we have you on is you have a lot of understanding and different studies and different cultures and understanding what it means to be a mentor, because you've learned from many mentors. I know that's not just one, many, and. We're focused on this podcast on helping leaders today, redefining a new standard of leadership in all organizations and what that means. So I'm going to go in through a series of questions, as far as with leaders who are in charge of a team, what is some good advice that they can, that they can be as a mentor towards their own.

That's a great question, you know, and, uh, I've, I've worked with actually, you know, you're talking about leaders of organizations. Uh, I've had, I've had students from all walks of life. I've had from, you know, dirt poor with nothing left, not a, you know, a, you know, a nickel to rub together with another, but, and I've had stints. Who, you know, I've got one student, he sold his business from, you know, several billion dollars and was the super high powered CEO, absolute genius. I had another guy he's a hedge fund owner. And, um, and you know, working with different people, especially with guys who run big organizations. So for example, the, uh, hedge fund owner, he runs like a more than a four and a half billion dollar hedge fund. And he told me he uses white tiger cheetah. To get into this flow state and to like calm his emotions and come from a neutral perspective before making these $200 million decisions, which, you know, he has to make instantaneously. So he has to be, you know, really at his peak. And so this, what you need to do is you need to be able to calm the monkey mind. And calm the firing of, you know, all the different neurochemicals that are firing in your brain and come to a state of equanimity of tranquility that you can make a decision with absolute clarity. Okay. And that is what I think is really important, uh, for a leader to do

so. We've we've had a different experts come on, uh, ones that focused on intermittent silence to understanding, uh, what it means to learn. How to just take a moment and pause now with cheekbones. Tell me a little bit about these steps that leadership can utilize to their benefit.

Okay. One of the first things people need to understand is that tension and emotions are held in the body. Yes. And there's a direct connection between the mind and the body. So in the Dow, is she going practice? We say the spirit is intrinsically connected to the physical body. There's no separation. And now we know from neuroscience, that that's absolutely true. That is a. That there's no disconnection between what's happening in our brain and what's happening in our body. Because when, for example, when you go through an emotion of worry or anxiety that sends a neuro chemical signal throughout the body and into the nervous system and, and it, you, it creates some type of tension agreed. Now, if you have that tension now, then that goes back to the brain as well. You're saying, so it's like a cell signal going back and forth in a loop. Okay. You need to break that cycle and you need to, so you need a physical action and a mental action. You need both. So people I think are often the reason they can't go deeper in this stuff is because they just going for the mental aspect. There's an actual physical component to. And so what this does the chigong does is it loosens and softens the body. And it releases those chemicals that have been put into the body. And so the factual matrix is able to relax and the body can relax. Now my breath can relax. My heart rate can relax, and now I can reprogram the mind with the program I want. Cause it w

we look at it, these tension points, that's just points of energy. That's, that's been like, just like held because we're in a situation where we can't expand it. So it's like, oh fuck. And you just kinda like, just hold it right in there. And now you have like this big ass

hump coming up. Yeah. Absolutely. That is so, you know, your brain, how it's connected throughout the whole body. It's through the nervous system and sending these signals. And that's like why? When you're in a car and you're almost in an accident, you brace yourself. It's an automatic reaction and we're having these automatic reactions all day. Now. Yeah. You know, in a, in a high-performance organization and the pressures on your already tense as it is, and you're going through these tension states constantly, you have to be able to relieve the body of this tension so that the mind can relax, because if the body's not relaxed, the mind can't relax either to the deepest point. Okay. Definitely.

Okay. That makes a lot of sense. Now with this practice and leadership utilizing this practice, what is the benefit of. That goes outside themselves, but onto the team, the workforce that perceives these leaders.

Yeah. So when you have a leader that's clear, calm, cool, and collected and making decisions without emotions, the whole team can feel that. And that brings a sense of stability. And that person, that leader becomes the center of the organization. And that reverberates throughout the organization. And people feel that, I mean, we're sensitive to other people's energy. So if someone's putting off, you know, if you're around a guy who was like nervous, you can feel it. Even if he's trying to hide it or she's trying to hide it, you can feel that nervous energy you ever been around. One of those guys, they're like, they're almost shaking when they talk. Sometimes they're just so they got some it's just too intense and people feel that, you know,

that was me as a kid. So I definitely had to outgrow that. But.

I definitely have a lot of children are like that. Yeah. So what,

now this, this is great information. I want it to just highlight a very universal application that can be applied and is very malleable in not just organizational leadership, but in, in culture, but it's applied to anything. I mean, it, this is like a new form of meditation. Hm. Hm.

So yes.

Yes. Tell me more, tell me more.

Well, I mean, when you say it's a new form of meditation. Absolutely. But it's actually 5,000 years old, but it's just now coming to the mainstream is just now. And I think the catalyst was COVID and people recognizing that they need health and wellness in their lives. And that is important to take care of the, your body and mind is so important. I mean, we're taking care of our fitness. We're taking care of our money, but how many people are taking care of the mind for happiness and peace? I mean, that's just as important to exercise as it is for your fitness and your, and your pocket, your wallet. So people are recognizing that now. So now it's starting to come to the forum. And what I've done is I fused neuroscience and sports science with, with an ancient practice called chigong. So I worked with neuroscientists and sports science experts to create a really comprehensive curriculum that can really relate this ancient practice and create something tangible that you can grasp and get effective results immediately.

Beautiful. So can you apply this. Is this a remote, uh, application that people can do? Or is this something they have to be in person to experience?

Well, it's interesting you say that because prior to COVID these travel restrictions, I was teaching around the world, um, in multiple countries, uh, all year long. And when COVID hit, I realized, okay, we better shift to the online model. Or we're going to get left in the dust. And so what I did is I, I recognize what I'm not good at, and that's really helped that's I can say has helped me so much and surround myself with people who are really good at what I'm bad at. So what I did is I found a woman, uh, who specializes in online education from Harvard university. She's got her master's degree in, in, uh, education and then specializes in online tech education. So I worked with her to create a university style curriculum online that's accessible because the, you know, the, the battle that I had and that have wrestled with my, in my own mind is how do I maintain the integrity of this powerful, deep, profound practice, but also get it in a tool, a way that we can get it online that people can work with, you know, around the. And that it's accessible to the absolute beginner who never heard of Chico know, I get a lot of people say, what's this quack gong is QI gong stuff you got, you know, I'm just cause most people never heard of it before. So I have to be able to explain to them what it is. And, and she really helped me, uh, disseminate this information in a really, uh, tangible format that anyone can grasp at any level. And that's online, which is the beauty of it. I

like this, like, okay, this is great right here. So w w what was like the most difficult part, other than trying to relate something so powerful, but being able to distribute this, this practice without tainting it, getting across. Different continents, but still having the exact same effect because when we have to look at different culture, different time zones, different practices, what's the norm. What's not the norm getting that across. What was difficult, other than losing its efficient.

Well, luckily I've already, you know, I've been in 39 countries around the world. And so I've had exposure to many different cultures I've had in one course in person I've had up to peep from up to 27 different countries in one course. And you know, what I learned is speak the common language that everybody in the world speaks. And, and we all have these basic human needs that come across all cultures. That's, you know, you go to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. And, and, and we all have that. We all need that, that, that stability that, you know, we need that foundation to feel okay and stable in our lives. And that has become, you know, a critical focal point for most of the world. Now, with what's happened with the pandemic, uh, people losing their jobs, uh, companies falling apart, going bang. Uh, and, and, and then the title wave of people's emotional instability because of their, uh, monetary and stability, because there are financial instability, so it's all bleeding across all edges of the world. And so what this, what I learned is to be able to break this down into small digestible bite-sized chunks. That, that people can really. So this, this practice could take you years and years to master. If you look at it from a broad perspective, but what we did is we isolated and broke it down into small digestible pieces that people could learn one bit at a time and really become proficient in that. And you'll feel a sense of accomplishment because of that. And that's what we did and it, and it worked. So, I mean, what I teach online is a fraction of what I would teach in person, but we have to do it that way, because that is how online material is digested the best. If I, if I inundate you with way too much material, you're not going to get it and you're going to get confused. And so we also have, uh, uh, 75 instructors around the world in our organization. So, and that they help with, uh, like live instructing online if people need that. In addition to our prerecorded.

Oh, I love like there's a lot of places I want to take this, but I want to touch a little bit of a business aspect here on scalability. As far as reaching your target audience. Now you're going across different cultures. I think a lot of businesses can take something away from this next question. As far as how were you able to connect with a target audience that is on different continents, different, just all over. Go after the people that want what you have.

Okay. I'll give, I'll give you a couple of examples. So we identified three buckets. Okay. So the buckets are number one, emotional balance mobility, like body balance and peak performance. Okay. So everybody is looking to have. Peace and happiness, who in the world doesn't want peace and happiness. And so we created courses for the different emotional. Yeah. So we have she gone for anger to calm your anger because the anger, anger is connected in Chinese medicine to the liver. And when we look at it from a neuroscience perspective as well, when we integrate neuroscience with it, we can understand. Happens when we're angry and what happens then when we look at sports science from a physical perspective, so we tie in the body and the emotions. So we have a different sheet going for all the different emotions, which has role comes in Chinese medicine. So I have all my courses have Chinese medicine integrated and how that functions then the other bucket, physical, balanced body balanced. So everybody who, who in the world, 80% to 90% of the worldwide back pain at some time in their lives. So I created a course. She gone for back pain and I worked with the sports science experts to help develop that course in how the St John practice can work with that. And then, uh, peak performance, cause people across all cultures want to operate where they want to find their peak potential. What are you capable of in this world? So I've worked with people from all religions, all different races, all different nationalities, and they all want these 300. You know, they all want these three things. And so this speaks to them and healing who doesn't want to heal the traumas of the past, the stuff that might be holding you back from attaining your peak performance, because those traumas and those emotions that you've been through in your life, those stay in the body and fascia science has proven that just the way. Stores the traumas of its life and the rings of the wood. When you cut a tree, you can see it. We store that in our fascist kinks in the body. And so to recognize that, feel that, and remove that and release that from your life, you can change your whole self perception, and then you can start to see through the things that have blocked you from achieving your peak performance. And your optimal being

yes. That beautiful. Well, well put there with the wood analogy. I love that. Okay. I want to, I want to hold that, uh, the trauma, cause we could, I could definitely go real deep into that, but with, uh, as far as establishing, uh, collaboration, building comradery in a team, now you have. And destructor you teaching and getting different, uh, exercises to occur for people that come from different backgrounds, but in a moments of time, you can get them to come together to accomplish the missing the objective. What could you illustrate? And what could you teach? Our junior leaders are our followers that are trying to become leaders. Any tidbits and advice on what they could do to apply to their team that they're.

Yeah, so, well, just so we have almost 60,000 members in white, tighter chigong we got over 75 instructors around the world. And one of the things that I found is important in motivating, not only myself, but everybody within our team is a true mission that you are passionate about. That you really believe in that you can really stand behind. And I hear these missions, you know, we want to reach a million people, but why do you want to reach them? Want to reach a million people? What is your purpose? If it's just to put money in the bank that is not going to satisfy your, your need for contracts. You need to have to satisfy that need in your life for contribution. If you're just satisfying your wallet, you're going to get to a point where it's not satisfying anymore. And I know, you know, people with all the money in the world, they don't have to work ever again, but they're still working their ass off because they want to contribute and they want to satisfy that need. And so finding what is your mission in life? If you were going to die tomorrow, what would you like to do? You know, your life is uncertain. We don't know what's in store for tomorrow. You know, yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery, you know, we only have today. So if you were to die tomorrow, what would you want to be remembered for? What is your legacy and what did you try to do? So first I thought, you know, I dug deep, you know, I. To do something in my life that makes a positive impact on humanity and the earth. Okay. So the earth, you know, the environment, the animals. So number one, I started supporting, uh, the Borneo nature foundation, which is, which is supporting the wildlife in the jungles that is being destroyed by, you know, deforestation. Okay. Which I really, I have a passion for that and it breaks my heart to see what happens to these wild animals as their life has destroyed. So that really moves me emotionally. And so I want to contribute to that to help protect that. And so if I'm going to live good, I want the animals and the, and the, and I want nature to be good. So I want nature and my environment to thrive. Next is humanity. And we all are living together. And I see we're living in these times, we're living in, in the, in Chinese medicine. We're living in the metal time, which is the time of destruction. So it's all part of a cycle. We all think that like, you know, this is just random, but it's not. These are common cycles after the metal comes the winter. The winter will be dark for a while, but then we'll come spring again and there's a rebirth. So there's a rebirth. That's going to come out of this destruction. That's happening right now. So in this destructive cycle, that's going to be followed by a winter and then it's going to come into a rebirth and there's going to be new life. Is going to be, you know, our life is going to change dramatically from the, from our generation to the next is going to be a completely different world. And we're witnessing this the most dramatic change in our history, you know, right now, before our eyes. And so I want to make a contribution to humanity that, you know, I'll never forget when I did wilderness survival training. When I was young, one of the things they always said, when you go into a campground or in hiking, leave it nicer than when you're. And I want to leave this earth better than when I, then when I came here. So this is what can I do within my power? What's my skillset. What am I passionate about? I've seen this change lives. I've seen people who were professional dancers with Parkinson's disease, can't move their body and then be able to move their body and start to move and start to come alive again. And, and, and their tears coming out of their eyes. I've watched people with terminal cancer, terminally. We're dying and, and had their last days, but brought peace into their life. You know, this moved me, this touched my heart and this connection to people and witnessing what, how people suffering can transform and to peak. And they're in their last days. And that for me is what I want to be for my friends, my family, and all the people I come into contact with is to be that crutch and to show through my own experience, how I went through suffering through profound suffering into, into a way to thriving in this life and to share that that gift is, is what I want.

Beautiful. That's very beautiful. And as a leader, being able to illustrate that illustrate your passions, your desires, and articulate. Is how you can influence your followers is because you have a common mission and that's something that's bigger than them. And that they want to be a part of. Let me backtrack. You said, uh, cycles that things happen in cycles now, for me, I'm very aware that with myself, where I'm. I have my moments where I'm on it. I'm in the gym. I'm reading, I'm doing my meditation, my, my stretching. And then there's times where I'm just like, fuck it mode. I don't want to do a damn thing and just eat carbs and just be lazy. Is there any like relation. On a macro level to a micro level. Of course there is, but I don't anything that, you know, that I would like to know as far as the,

I got to relate it back to Chinese medicine, because that is where this medical she going comes from. And this is yet another. You have young that young time where you're in the gym, you're, you know, you're going for broke. You're putting your all out effort in, and then you need that opposite time, that yin time to go within and that's bringing your balance. So when you have one extreme, you have the other extreme to balance it. So this is life balancing itself, and that's your body finding its equilibrium. So you're trying to find that balance of yin and yang. Okay.

And if I'm going too much, On the yen, then the Young's going to somehow find its way in. And it's like, well, Greg, you're, you're, you're going to be fucked because if you're going to take a break for a week straight, I'm just going to take you down for

one week T well, in Chinese and in the emerging, the book of changes is a 5,000 year old book of the algorithm of nature. And that is when you reach one extreme to the tipping point, you're going to flip into the opposite of. Wow. I

never heard of it articulated that way. I really liked that. Okay.

So let me give you an example. Let's say the person who's working so much, the burning out, like I tell you, I worked with this billionaire. He had built this company from scratch from zero into. Billions of dollars. And he worked himself to death. Literally, he was dying of cancer. He had to quit everything and he had to completely change his life and, and, and he, otherwise he was going to die and he knew it. He was on his last days. So he completely changed everything. And he stopped working altogether, sold his business, made 2 billion, that pocketed $2 billion. Then he got the best medical help. He possibly could. He changed his diet completely. He changed his entire lifestyle, which was go, go, go, go, go, go, go. Which burned him out and drained him. It made them a lot of money, but it drained his life force. So you pay a price one way or the other, you know, you sacrifice something to gain something. Anyway, he did. She gone was one of the things that he attributed his, his health and wellness to, and now he's still alive and he beat his cancer. So, um, that is an example of one, you know, flipping from one extreme to another.

That's really interesting. Let's segue over to trauma now. For someone who is in a leadership position, you have an employees who have experienced trauma. Now, what is something they can do or as do as mentors or as a coaches to tailor their, their delivery so that they can be the best and most effective coach or leader for them,

for someone working with trauma. Okay. So for a coacher or someone working with trauma, they need to number one, have empathy that is put yourself in that person's shoes. And can you, so for me, one reason why I like to work with people with trauma is because I've been through a lot of trauma so I can relate and I can feel their pain. And, and, and I want, I have this genuine desire to want to help them turn that around. I want to show them how they can turn it around how I turned it around for myself. And so by sharing my experience, I don't teach someone like you do this, you do that. Or I did this, do this. I share from my experience, okay, this is what I did. And this is what I did with this guy and this guy and this guy, and this worked, and this might be able to work for you. But you have to believe in it yourself. First, number one, that's most important thing. One thing I've recognized, you cannot motivate a person to be motivated about their life. They have to have that internal motivation. So I'm not Tony Robbins. I'm not going to, I'm not here to say yeah, let's rock and let's do it. I'm here. Once you already have that internal motivation, you want that change then? To, to work with you and to show you the way and to give you the tools. Cause I'm not going to do it for you. I'm not a magic man. I'm not going to wave a magic wand and make you all better. You're going to have to do the work, but I'm going to show you the way I'm going to show you the way that worked for me.

I like that. Now, what if they don't want your, uh, your solicited feedback, then? What, what could you do next in this situation?

Yeah, well, that's the thing is I, I never have to. Uh, get any, I know if they're off to sell anybody on anything, because, you know, I used to teach out of my backyard making 20 bucks an hour and barely making enough to survive. You know, I've lived on rice noodles cause I couldn't afford to eat anything else. You know, I've been really poor and down and broke and I still refuse to sell anything, you know, like that. People who want it. I share what I've got and the people who want it, they come and they come in droves. We've got like, you know, I think the numbers speak for themselves. The fact that we've got almost 60,000 members, we, we have over a hundred thousand people a month, come on our website. We hit a million impressions a month on social media. You know, there's people, there's enough people who you have to have something that people genuinely want that you don't need to sell it. It sells itself. That's my.

Interesting. Okay. Now here's a, I feel like you would have a unique perspective about this next question. What comes first? Is it the leader or the follower? And what's the process of

both. That's a good question. So first the leader has had to be a follower at some time in their life, right? So we all have a teacher, so you have to come in with that beginner's mindset. So. Had it, no matter where you are at in your leadership stage as well. I know all, I know, you know, leaders who are, you know, incredible leaders, they still have mentors and they're still learning. So you always have to come from that beginner's mindset, no matter where you are at in life. So you are the follower and you are the leader, you have to be both. And that has the yin and yang within you as well. That is to be the ultimately. You have to also know how to be a follower, because then you'll have empathy for your followers and you'll understand them so deeply that

that's well put now with a beginner's mindset. Would you say the essence of that is curiosity?

Absolutely. It's always look at a child to learn. They're so curious, you know, they're so curious. What does this mean? What does this do? Why is this? And they ask that, you know, children are famous for, you know, Y Y. Y it doesn't bother me. Some people get bothered, it doesn't bother me. I'm so excited to share. I'm like, oh, this is why this and this and this and this and this. And I can go on all day with a kid who says, why, why? You know, I love it. I, you know, I was just sitting down with a child today and they were like, what? They were pointing out a magazine. What's this what's this what's this literally, I barely have time to answer that first question. So having that curiosity. Look at some of the greatest thinkers of our, uh, of our world, you know, yet Albert Einstein, he was, he always said, you know, be like in a childlike wander state, you know, be in that always curious state, always be curious, always want to know more. That's how I went down. The rat. These rabbit holes is I would always want to know more. I'm like, what's this? What does this mean? And why always keep asking why and dig deeper. And that's where you're going to get answers because I'm a truth seeker. You know, we're living in a world with smoke and mirrors. You don't know what to believe these days, you don't know what's real. You read this thing and this guy says this and this other guy says this, your friend says this, the other friend says that, you know, nobody, you don't know what to leave. You have to, you have to dig deep and really do the investigation, work yourself to understand. And so that's what I do is I just, I, I have this relentless curiosity. Relentless curiosity. That's what I'm going to say. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. Like that. Now let's transition to closing here. Uh, what is one piece of advice that you could leave our audience with that will change their lives right now and get them into a better state of mind.

So we need to think, stop thinking of ourselves and we need to think of humanity as a whole, as an interconnectedness. So we're all connected to. And what you do will affect the people around you in your immediate circle, think of life or humanity in concentric circles. So what you do affects your immediate inner circle, and that affects that outer circle and it ripples like through. Okay. So what you do is going to, how do you want your children to be, how do you want your children think of how you want them to be? What's you are responsible for your next generations. How are we going to leave this world for our next generations? We need to consider that whether you have a daughter or son, or you don't have children yet, or if you don't, if you, if you watch and think of the children that are alive today and what we're doing for them, what world are we going to leave? No. Are we going to leave them chaos and destruction? Are we going to live them love and, and the earth can be paradise. This earth can be paradise.

Yeah, I like that. Now, uh, my last question here, uh, if you could pick up the phone and call your 20 year old self, what would you tell

him? Hmm, that's a great question. I would say to my 20 year old self, I was kind of cocky when I was 20 years old. I thought I knew it. I thought I had the answers actually. I would say shut up, keep your beginner's mindset. Keep your curiosity. You don't know shit. That's what I would tell my 20 year old self. You don't know. Okay, wake up and, and keep learning. That's what I would

say. Uh, relatable, very relatable. Now, is there anything else that I have not asked you that you would like to share for the audience?

I mean, I got, I got a million things I can share, but keeping it focused on, on this, um, You know, this, the, the gift that I believe that I can offer and I can share with the world forever. Who's open to receive that is through white tiger. She gone this, she gone changed my life. I've healed myself through incredible traumas, uh, incredible physical injuries. I've worked with people, like I said, from all walks of life and seen incredible results from the guy who had. Who was broken homeless to the person who had terminal illness, cancer to the, you know, high performance, hedge fund manager and CEO to world champion athletes. And I've seen this, she'd go work, incredible results. And so I stand behind it. I think everybody should try it. My mission is to reach 10% of the. Why 10% of the world, because that is the scientific number for the tipping point. And that's a realistic number of people we can reach. And so I want to reach a tipping point of the world to help shift human consciousness, to connect and love themselves. When we love ourselves, we can love each other and love the earth that we're living on. If we don't first love ourselves, we won't love each other. There's no way it's impossible. This, she goes, we'll teach you how to connect with. Appreciate have compassion for yourself. Love yourself, heal yourself. And that will then reverberate throughout mankind.

That's beautiful. Well put, how can our audience get in touch with you? If they

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Beautiful. I will link everything in the show notes. We get that distribute out and that is it for today. I really do appreciate you coming on your transformation. Oh,

I want to leave all your viewers with a free ebook as well. Oh, awesome. Oh, your listeners. Hell yeah. So I'll get you that in the link so you can give everyone that gift. Beautiful.

Thank you so much. I will be sure to link that in there.

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